Making a Difference for Syrian Refugees in Southeastern Turkey

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Welcome to Good News, brought to you by Listening for Clues.

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We are Lauren Welch and Jon Shematek Deacons in the

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Episcopal Diocese of Maryland.

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And today we're gonna have some good news about Syrian refugees in Turkey.

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We have a special guest with us today, Father Jeff Hual, who's the rector of All

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Hallows Church in Davidsonville, Maryland.

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And Jeff, you've been involved with Syrian refugees in Southeast Turkey

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for some time and we're just really excited that you're here today and

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can't wait to hear what you have to say.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you for having me.

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So, Jeff, Jon and I were really inspired at the election convention

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when you spoke about this ministry.

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So now we want you to share how you got involved and what you were doing now,

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you know, that's not a short answer as far as how I got

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involved in this because it was something that just happened.

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you know, in our line of work, we tend to say that the Holy

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Spirit caused this to happen.

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And that's the best answer that I could possibly give because, you know,

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if we claim love as God's principle attribute, this is a ministry that

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grew out of love and friendship.

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It started nine years ago with a friend of mine I went to Turkey on a seminary

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immersion tour that was sponsored by a small religious association in Istanbul.

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And I became friends with the director of this little association, a guy named Hakan

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Gulerce and this association was Because of the theologian that they follow.

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A 20th century scholar named Said Nursi, they were seeking to foster

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relationships with Christian communities.

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This was something that Nursi felt was very important.

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And so they sponsored us, you know, as a way for us to get to know them

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and for them to get to know us.

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Yes.

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And then shortly after that, Hakan was sent by the association to do

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a one year diploma in Christian Studies at my seminary, and that's

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where we really became close friends.

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And then when we graduated in my graduation photo, he and I are

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actually sitting side by side in that.

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I wish, wish I had a copy of it, but little did I know.

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So this was back when Virginia Seminary still had the second three years program

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where after you graduated from three years of seminary, they tried to help you with

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your first three years in ministry to make sure it was a positive experience.

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And one of the things they would do was to give you a grant to travel

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somewhere to do some project.

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And so, I traveled to Istanbul in in February of 2016 to meet with

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Hakan, and we assumed we were gonna write an article about, you know,

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a faithful Muslim and a faithful Christian who had become close friends.

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But this was around the time that the news of just how bad the Syrian

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refugee crisis was starting to finally bubble up onto the Western news.

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And so I contacted Hakan and I said, we gotta make this something that

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highlights the Syrian refugee crisis.

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So I went off to Turkey in 2016 with the biggest luggage I've ever carried.

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I had camping gear.

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I didn't know if we were going to Greece.

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I didn't know if we were going to Izmir.

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I didn't know what we were doing.

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And when I got there, Hakan said the Syrian refugees are right up the

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hill from us, 50 meters up the hill.

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Was a huge concentration of them living in overwhelmingly difficult conditions.

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So we decided the best thing that we could do would be to make a video as a

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faithful Muslim and a faithful Christian, encouraging Muslims and Christians

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worldwide to find ways to cooperate to try and alleviate the suffering.

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And we always viewed that as being an ongoing project that, I plan on

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traveling back there in the summer and we would do more work together.

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But then the failed coup attempt happened and suddenly everything exploded and my

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friend disappeared from social media.

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Oh, I had, I had no idea what had happened to him.

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I had no way to get in contact with him.

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Mm-hmm.

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I would reach out to the seminary and ask, have you all heard from him?

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And no one really knew what to think.

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Little did I know though, that over those three years, Hakan was basically

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whether he was doing it or God was doing it, his life was being rearranged.

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Such that he, everything became about positioning him to be able to

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do this work with Syrian refugees.

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He completed his PhD in sociology and moved to Şanlıurfa, which

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is southeastern Turkey, about 24 miles from the Syrian border.

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It's the highest concentration of Syrian refugees.

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When I say that it's a half a million refugees, which is.

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Roughly the same number of refugees as in Istanbul, but in Istanbul there

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are, you know, 15 million people, of which half a million are Syrians.

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Whereas in Şanlıurfa it's one and a half million people took

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in half a million Syrians.

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So one in four citizens, there is a Syrian refugee.

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It is considered possibly the poorest metropolitan statistical area in the

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country of Turkey, especially since they took in so many Syrian refugees and Harran

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University hired Hakan to be a professor of sociology and to be the director

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of their Center for Migration Studies.

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Which all of a sudden gave him carte blanche, quasi-governmental

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authority to do the work we're doing.

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And it was about that time he popped back up on Facebook.

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So I said, How can we get involved?

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How can we help?

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He said, Abi, that means brother Abi.

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We need wheelchairs.

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Apparently a lot of people had either lost wheelchairs in getting

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out of Syria, or they now needed wheelchairs because of the bombings.

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And so All Hallows, I held a fun drive and we raised enough money to buy.

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I think a dozen wheelchairs.

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And we sent that over and Hakan bought wheelchairs for people who needed them.

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And then I said, okay, what do you need now?

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He said, well, we need educational materials.

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So I started a fund drive to raise educational materials.

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We raised we raised $2,400 to buy the wheelchairs, and I think we raised

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$1600 to buy the educational supplies.

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And then around the end of the year, this was 2019, a member of my

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congregation approached me and said, I just inherited some appreciated

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stock that I need to give away.

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I want to give it to All Hallows, and I want you to use all of

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it for aiding Syrian refugees.

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And it turned, yeah.

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Wow.

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It turned out to be, I think it was $30,000 in appreciated McDonald's stock.

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Which at the exchange rates at the time, even now one Turkish

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lira is worth about a nickel.

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So that translated to 600,000 Turkish lira, which means the same thing in their

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society that $600,000 would mean here.

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And, and so, I called Hakan and I said let's dream big.

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What are we gonna do?

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And it just kind of grew, started growing organically, but of course I

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had no idea what was going on except that I was, I was raising money.

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Because, you know, right after Hakan resurfaces and we've got this infusion

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of cash and we're about to start making these plans, COVID pandemic hit.

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And so I continued raising money here and he built, was building a program

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and the only contact we could have was by email, phone, or you know, FaceTime.

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And it was not until June of last year that I was able to go visit.

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That was the first time since the 2016 visit that I was able

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to go over and I was amazed.

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Ed, what Hakan and his wife Rukia and some other core volunteers have built.

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It is a fabulous, multifaceted, long-term aid program that has all of the

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hallmarks of how a near Eastern society would seek to approach the problem.

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It is all built.

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Relationally.

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It is all built on becoming friends, finding out what people need.

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This, this is not, you know car drives up.

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How many people in your family pop your trunk and we put the

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food pantry food in your trunk.

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This is, how can we help you?

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What do you need?

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How can we best approach that?

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How can we solve, help you solve the problems that you need solved?

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And I was absolutely amazed.

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At what we've been able to do.

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And I continued to raise money after that.

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I think prior to the earthquake in February, we had raised $55,000 at

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that point which translated to you know, roughly a million Turkish lira.

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And then the earthquake happened.

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And Şanlıurfa was 220 kilometers east of the epicenter.

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And so the, the challenge there was the government was offering plenty of

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aid to help citizens, but there was no help available for Syrian refugees.

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So I jumped in and we started fundraising again, and thanks to the kindness of

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so many people that was what I stood up and spoke about that day at St.

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John's Ellicott City, was the fact that I think to date we've raised

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another $45,000 to help Syrian refugees with earthquake relief.

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And so it's turned into a hundred thousand dollars program that started out with.

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How can we help?

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Hey, could you raise some money for some wheelchairs and a hundred

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thousand dollars later we're, we're, we're doing all sorts of things.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That, that is really awesome.

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What a, what a story.

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I mean, what's so amazing to me too about this is, this grew out of, as you

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said, I think at the beginning of, of friendship and something that was based on

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two people of faith, of different faiths who sometimes don't relate that well.

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So this is a, this is a, an amazing story of that friendship and what's possible.

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Yeah, yeah,

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yeah.

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Well, and, and the fact that the program itself is relational.

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Mm-hmm.

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Thank you for, thank you for mentioning that.

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I think that's really important.

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Yeah.

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Did that surprise you?

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No.

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Knowing Hakan the way I do I assumed it would be like that.

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Teaching at the university.

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, he got a lot of students involved, and he's built a team around the program

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of about 30 college age volunteers.

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And they're broken up roughly evenly Turkish, Kurdish, and Arabic.

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The Arabic volunteers.

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Were Syrian students who several years ago the government decided that the

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Syrian refugee students would not be able to go to state University for

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free, which in Turkey a Turkish citizen who has the grades goes to state

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university tuition and books paid for.

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When that decision was made towards Syrian refugees, we immediately picked

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up a dozen Syrian students that we started paying their tuition in books.

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Which sounds like a lot of money, but it actually only turned out

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to be $300 a year per student.

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Wow.

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And yeah.

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And then those folks folded into the program as volunteers

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wanting, wanting to give back.

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, and then the Syrian students and the Kurdish students and the Turkish students

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have all become amazing lifelong friends.

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And it is that love, you know.

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My love for Hakan, Hakan's love for me, our love for the students.

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The students love for each other.

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It's like the Upper Room, you know, it's like all of that love is just

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flowing out from that little group.

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Mm-hmm.

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And it's overwhelming the number of things that it's able to do.

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So it really is about love.

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It is at its base.

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I mean, it doesn't get any more grassroots than.

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Then what this is and the, and, and as we equate God, as love and Christ as

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the incarnated expression of that and the Holy Spirit as the one who comes

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alongside us and leads us in that love.

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Mm-hmm.

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I have no other place to attribute this except to God.

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Right.

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And my guess is that your colleagues in Turkey have the same sense.

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They know they have this, this is something from God.

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This is something absolutely.

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From God.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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So, so Jeff, did you have you know, you mentioned so many of the kind

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of barriers along the way with the the pandemic and earthquakes.

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And this sounds very, this sounds like the beginning of the church in, in a way too.

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Yeah.

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Well, the failed coup attempt.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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The failed coup attempt, all of that.

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Those were all huge barriers.

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Did you have other kinds of, personal barriers or other kinds

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of issues that came in there that made this really tough to do?

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Or were were you just kind of like on a roll for all these years?

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No.

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Well, bear in mind there was a huge gap.

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There was a three year gap when Hakan disappeared, and little

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did I know on his end just how much was changing in his life.

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And he would from time to time, send me a video.

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It was so funny, after I left and, we couldn't get back together.

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And then when we got back together and I started raising money here it

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was just sort of an academic thing.

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Oh, well this is Father Jeff's project, you know, and he's raising money for it.

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But it didn't really come up on a lot of radar.

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Until April of 2022, when suddenly I had just had covid, my whole family

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had it, and I had recovered from it.

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And for the first time since 2016, I.

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The State Department suddenly lowered the travel warnings to, you

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know, two, which four is do not go.

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Two is exercise, increased caution, which you know, most of Europe is two

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but then I made the decision to go and that was when I started getting

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pushback locally here and there.

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Things that I didn't expect from people I wouldn't expect, and I,

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I don't want to put point at any one person or group, but I started

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catching whispers in the background.

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Why are we doing this kind of work with Muslims on the other side of the world

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when there are people here who need help?

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Well, and my answer to that was always, well, for whatever reason, God has

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shown me this clear path to do this.

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Right now, Beyond Jeff Abi and Hakan Abi and this little team of volunteers

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right now we're, we are the last NGO standing in Şanlıurfa . Yeah.

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Everybody else is pulled out

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So your main kind of intervention in a way at this point, or the main

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thing you are doing personally is besides maintaining the relationship, which I

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get is absolutely key is fundraising.

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Is that right?

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And how fundraising, yeah.

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How are you doing that, Jeff?

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How's that going?

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Asking people asking Any chance I get and also helping to educate

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Americans about the Syrian refugee crisis.

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This has largely not made our news media at all for 12 years.

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And there have been little times when it's bubbled up, you know in 2016,

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there was the image of a drowned refugee child washed up on the shore.

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We all remember that.

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There was an image about five years ago of a little girl who froze to

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death in one of the encampments.

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But by and large, we've ignored the situation.

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And so part of what I, I feel I do is I'm that guy in the corner of the room

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standing on my chair yelling at everybody.

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What about the Syrians?

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They need our help.

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And, you know, if I can get an audience and I can talk to people, it doesn't

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take long for them to see that we really should be involved in this work.

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And that, that's mostly what I find my work is, is I be it, you know,

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on, on this side of, of the Atlantic.

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I try in my own small way and, and it seems to be growing you know mm-hmm.

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The Holy Spirit is growing it, but in my own small way to be a voice for the need.

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Sometimes I have people say, what, that's still going on.

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Yeah.

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It's been going on for 12 years.

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And then when I'm on that side of, of the Atlantic when I'm with them in

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Turkey, we go to the homes of our Syrian refugee families that we're working

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with, and they want to meet this guy.

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They, you know, if, if they could have their druthers, they'd all like to fly

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over here and meet us because they can't believe that a western Christian community

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has reached this, this far across the divide in love and is doing this kind

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of work, is funding this kind of work.

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It just, at every turn I meet people who are surprised.

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It breaks their stereotype of what a re Western Christian is.

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And isn't that a big part of what we need to be doing?

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As I, I see with the work that I'm doing there is missionary work.

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It's, you know, it's missionary work is not just about proclaiming the gospel.

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Sometimes it is about changing people's minds, opening pathways.

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Yeah, living the love.

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I mean, it's so clear that it's coming from your heart, this whole this.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely clear.

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Oh yeah.

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Wow, Jeff.

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Amazing.

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This is what a fantastic story and and I'm just I'm so honored to hear

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it and to get to meet you this way.

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This is just great.

Jeff: 00:20:24

Well, thank you for inviting me.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So let me ask, since I know you say you just ask people and they give you

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money, hopefully, how can our viewers and listeners support you, support

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this ministry, this mission, this outreach of international healing?

Jon: 00:20:43

How can they help?

Jeff: 00:20:45

Well, help me get the word out.

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Educate yourselves.

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We need to educate ourselves on the Syrian crisis.

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We need to be aware of it.

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Probably the best source is if you have PBS Passport, go back

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through past episodes of PBS Frontline who did a brilliant job of

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covering when they could the Syrian conflict and the refugee crisis.

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Reid the wonderful book by Christine Leftier, "The Beekeeper of Aleppo;"

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it is a fictitious story that very accurately details what it was like to

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be a Syrian refugee trying to escape at the height of the crisis in 2016.

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Google, Turkey, Syrian refugees.

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Pull up the news, look at it, be aware of it.

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Also, beyond that, if you are in my geographic area and

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you need a guest speaker for anything, Please reach out to me.

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I'll come tell the story.

Jeff: 00:21:48

I'm glad to I talk about it with any group.

Jeff: 00:21:51

Any group that will have me

Jon: 00:21:53

Great, Jeff.

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So how can actually people reach you?

Jon: 00:21:56

Would it be through the All Hallows website?

Jon: 00:21:58

Contact information is on the All Hallows website allhallowsparish.org.

Jon: 00:22:03

. On Facebook.

Jon: 00:22:05

Great.

Jon: 00:22:05

We'll have those links in the show notes for people to yeah.

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Access easily.

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So we wanna definitely make sure that that people can reach you and be part of this.

Jeff: 00:22:14

And also if you would like to give a donation, mm-hmm.

Jeff: 00:22:17

You know I tell people all the time, you're never going to find a more,

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what do they call the, the people who rate charities a blue chip charity.

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I mean, literally every single dollar that gets donated goes

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directly to a Syrian refugee in need.

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There's, I mean, occasionally we have to pay a $50 Trans

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International bank fund transfer fee.

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That's the only overhead.

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Mm-hmm.

Jeff: 00:22:40

Wow.

Jon: 00:22:40

So if anyone wants to support financially, learn about this, act on it.

Jon: 00:22:45

Yes.

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Be part of it.

Jon: 00:22:48

It's there.

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It's there for you.

Jon: 00:22:50

Yeah.

Jon: 00:22:50

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Jon: 00:22:52

Well, thanks.

Jon: 00:22:53

Thanks once again.

Lauren: 00:22:54

Thank you.

Jon: 00:22:54

It's been an honor.

Jeff: 00:22:55

You're welcome.

Lauren: 00:22:56

Thank you for being with us.

Lauren: 00:22:57

You, you've inspired, I know the viewers and our listeners,

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just like you did Jon and I.

Jeff: 00:23:03

I hope so.

Jeff: 00:23:04

I hope so.

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So we want to thank all of the viewers and listeners today.

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